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anime=a race to draw stuff that's almost porn - ... really

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<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>i'm tired of this!!!</span>

(look, i'm not screaming but...)

 

i was looking for the first time at damnglitch's d*a*a*a*m board new look and i saw the picture on the left. (one of many)

 

1. 2 millions idiots can draw the exact same thing in hope they can become one of the slaves in taÃ?Æ?Ã?'Ã?â??Ã?¯wan that draws animation cells of an anime show (or hentai :| ). but that's not what i want to talk about.

 

2. anime is a race to draw girls in a special way that's almost porn but really isn't.

 

i know that there are many exceptions to this but I see too many unexpected almost nudity and very voyeuristic shots.

 

but damnglitch isn't really the reason why i'm angry

 

this afternoon, a canadian tv station showed 2 episodes of escaflown (or something like that. who made up that word anyway?) and 4 episodes of digimon (3rd season) because of some random anime special they do. here's my opinion of theses shows related to almost porn

 

escaflown: how much time did the animators spent of trying not to show that cat girl panties.

digimon: now that the characters can transform themself (i don't know the story and i don't care) there theses transformation sequences where the characters are naked. at least they hide what's below the waist and up the knees but lets do a little demonstration to show you the problem.

 

Imagine theses characters transforming themself into something random with the sequence i explained before.

Are you ready?

 

10 year old cool boy transform... o.k.

 

8 year old boy that acts very very like a 5 year old transform... still o.k.

 

10 year old girl transform...

yes, they don't hide her chest.

 

do i have the wrong definition of child porn or what?

 

it's like the swimsuit issue of sports ilustrated. it's not porn but it's not for children.

 

i want to quote a friend of mine: "anime is porn for teenagers"

 

i know that it's important for artists to understand the human body and it's beauty but being stuck on that part and specificly on girls is isn't the right way to show your lack of sexual life. and anime furries or anime girls with animal costumes are worst. that's a sexual pervertion.

 

at least, there are people that use anime style for a good reason and the right war like this . look at the 4th pannel. look at vg cats. and then look at this!! (at least the comic to that site is not like that at all)

 

i'm a cartoon fan since my birth because of my parents. i watched cartoons on tv, read a lot of comic books both american and european (the best ever, goscinny was a god to me like Gumpei Yokoi to a metroid fan) and since the start of modern mangas and manga style anime i've seen a lot of fan service that shouldn't have ever existed. remember bulma taking a shower in the old dragonball books? at least, we never saw misty in pokemon that close to nakedness. always hidden below the shoulders without shadow effects. anime and manga are so close to hentai that i can't dare to watch or read any of them unless i know that there will never be any possible fan service or subjective erotic poses or dress.

 

do you think japanese girls dress like that normaly or even to do adult things? no!!! i know someone who can confirm that (the same as above)

 

for the sake of art, for the sake of good writers, can we stop the growing clichÃ?Æ?Ã?'Ã?â??Ã?© that anime is a form of porn and not an other form of art? i read a book a few months ago about the history of mangas, and yes, haft of it's history is porn but the rest is a great way to express suffering, hate, violence, love, fun and happyness. let's stay to that and stop doing art for horny teenagers even if you think you're on the right side.

 

that's not art

it's junk

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What to say, what to say.

 

First things first, on the subject of younger women being naked IE: the magical girl transformation scenes.

 

This is NOT a form of fan service. In the more adult range shows, it is, but when the little girls do it, it is because of this: The Japanese to not really on a Christian system of morals. They are not ashamed of their bodies, and have little problems shoiwing nudity.

 

However, that is not to say they are throwing sex around. To elaborate, SEX and MILD NUDITY are separate things. You almost NEVER EVER see sex in Japanese animation, aside from specific instances, like hentai or adult oriented movies.

 

Infact, I just picked up the forth volume of LOVE HINA. While there are PLENTY of hot spring scenes, with mild or implied nudity, there are no intances of sex. To that effect, there was a whole episode about people talking about their first kisses, and how it should be with someone you care for.

 

On the subject of fan service... yes, it is more pervailant then it should be... but that's only because most fans want it. Other wise it wouldn't be called as such. There are shows dedicated to fan service, Cutey Honey being one of the most blatant ones, while high service/action series like Burn Up use the sexuality for humor and plot.

 

On the subject of the side-things on DAAAM, they are there because they ARE attractive. If you notice, there are only two...three who have visible nipples. The rest are attractive women, and Kuja-Kun.

 

We actually took out some of the more... offensive pictures, leaving in the quality ones... although I sometimes think Lum's is a bit much :|

 

Anime is not porn for teenagers. There is no porn for teenagers, really. While much of the animation is watchable by teens, that's not to say it's INTENDED for teens. I'm fairly sensitive when it comes to showing preteens my collect, even if they have little or no effect on myself. I realize that SEX is not what children should be seeing. But, harmless nudity is another thing.

 

Here's something that has always, ALWAYS pissed me off: Why is violence more acceptable then Nudity and sexuality, baring in mind that all three are separate entities but always seem to be bunched in together.

 

Our Christian society, in both the US and Canada, makes everyone ashamed and vindictive when it comes to our human form. Why are you so offended that these people are not clothed? Are they doing anything that is wrong other then what you've been taught to belive is "dirty"?

 

 

You ought to watch Evangelion. While I know it is blasphemy in a very literal sense, and also in a figurative on, seeing as I'm mentioning it on badger's board (:P), it also uses emotional and physical destruction as a way to show how fragile the human mind is. It also is one of the first anime to use casual fanservace. As the series goes on, however, the fanservice errodes and you are simply left with nudity that accomplishes a purpose.

 

You'd have to see to understand, but it's fairly deep.

 

 

You say we should remember that anime is an art form, but so is nudity. Sexuality can be art as well.

 

*sigh*

 

As much as I say, however, there are series that cross the line. There is no love lost with me and series that had a plot and fan service, only to have the plot be wrodded away to leave a big steaming pile of CRAP. Dirty Pair Flash turned to waste by the last series. Nuku Nuku had downward spiral as well, in it's second half.

 

A step away from the other topics, lets talk about censorship. I believe that any censorship aside from self censorship is wrong. To that end, if you don't like a show you see, or thing what happens therein is wrong, don't watch. But also, don't attempt to steer away other people with your beliefs. Let them judge for themselves.

 

Oh, and misty has been naked or near so before, but it was cut from the series, despite it's innocence. Also, there was an episode where James got breast implants so he and Jesse could enter a woman's swim suit competition.

 

That was a funny one. Too bad they cut it... then butchered it for American television.

 

 

But anyway... Anime is an art form, always, not matter how shitty a piece of art it may be. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, as it were.

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<div align="center"><span style='font-size:55pt;line-height:100%'>GOD FUCKING DAMNIT ALL TO HELL!!</span></div>

 

I really fucking HATE people who claim to know ABOLUTELY everything about what Anime stands for and all of the socialogical nuances that it contains, when the only Anime they've ever fucking seen is the watered down SHIT Cartoon Netork pushes in it's Toonami block.

 

BUY A FUCKING DVD!! Seriously, go out and BUY anime. It's a lot better that way...TRUST ME.

 

Also on the subject...lets go on to furries, Cat-Girls, and similar anthropormorphic characters. They are probably some of the most well developed characters in a series JUST BECAUSE they are popular. I seriously think Final Fantasy VIII would have been A HELL OF A LOT BETTER had Squall been replaced by a bubbly Cat-Girl...which is probably why I like Zidane in FF9 as he's a bubbly monkey-boy.

 

I like furries, I like nakedness, I like anime...and you you don't then DON'T FUCKING WATCH IT.

 

It's just like you (Alldogship) and Metal Gear Solid 2. You had passed judgement after only watching someone else play it, as i recall Sim telling me once. And if I'm not mistaken you still haven't played through it. Okay MGS2 is a bad example becuase of it's incoherent PLOT DEVELOPMENT, but it's still a fucking awesome game!

 

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Aw fuck it. :|

 

 

 

Edited By Outerverse on 1059273796

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are you saying that i have a problem? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

 

...

 

you might be right about that. in retrospect, i was freaked-out about almost nothing. so evangelion and love hinda should be the next thing i should rent. i'll remember that.

 

i think i'll do some soul searching to try to find the source of my weird fear of anime and dogs.

 

or even try to find a way to seperate in my mind erotic from beautiful.

 

i should get therapy because my mind is like that without any help of religion btw.

 

For Outey (and this should be in an other forum): as i said a lot before, i played MGS2 for 5 hours and i was bored. i don't like that game because it's the first time i expected a good gameplay and there was just custom programming and nothing more. sleep, run, sleep, run, blah for 5 minutes, repeat 5 or 6 times and tried to slip on guano for once. unless the fun started after that... MGS1 was way better (more game, less blah)

 

in conclusion (at least for me): i'll remember you all in therapy (actuly watching real good anime)(and then forming a good opinion)

 

and can someone tell me if the game start after 5 hours? because that's a long time

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Also keep in mind on anime websites, you're seeing what the artist likes. And for manga, there's doshinji (sic?) which is fan based. Almost ALL hentai using well known character is a fan manga.

 

AS for MGS2, it all seemd like the same game as MGS1 with cutscenes. I'm just hoping MSG3: Snake Eater has a better plot than, "It's a clone of MGS1 to mass produce Solid Snake. Oh and there's a big ship thing that has a computer that can collect ALL data and dissiminate FALSE data." I seriously think the plot was an after thought in MGS2. :mario:

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